How To Install Tire Chains On A Semi

W.F. McCall

Has anyone driven their 200 Series with tire bondage on the front and dorsum tires? I am thinking most getting a 2022 200 Series, only I would desire to be able to put on tire chains to bulldoze upward and down a steep, muddy, and snowy mount trail when I get elk hunting. If you lot take washed so, tin you give me the brand/model? I suspect the traditional, larger chains from places similar www.tirechain.com may exist besides thick for clearance.

Thanks in advance for whatsoever thoughts or help.

gaijin

Has anyone driven their 200 Series with tire chains on the front and dorsum tires? I am thinking about getting a 2022 200 Series, but I would want to be able to put on tire chains to drive up and down a steep, muddy, and snowy mountain trail when I go elk hunting. If yous have washed so, tin you give me the make/model? I doubtable the traditional, larger bondage from places similar world wide web.tirechain.com may be too thick for clearance.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or help.

Page 303 of your Owner's Manual gives specific dimensions for bondage that are suitable.

The manual besides states the following cautions for chain use:

n Tire chains
Detect the following precautions when installing and removing chains.
l Install and remove tire chains in a safe location.
l Install tire chains on the rear tires only. Exercise non install the chains on the
front tires.
l Install tire chains following the instructions provided in the accompanying
transmission.

Looks similar chains on the front wheels is non a skillful idea.

:cheers:

snobdds

My experience has been, that precaution goes for ANY Toyota with IFS as the front end suspension. The solid axel Toyotas have been fine to have Chains on the front. The A-arms and the ball joints are too shut to the inner tire and there are clearence issues.

Just call up to plow off the traction control with chains on...

patrickfinley

With an all wheel drive vehicle it is highly advised to utilize bondage on all 4 tires. You lot are changing your vehicle from having equal traction on iv tires to having much better traction on only the back. This will cause your front finish to slip around.

The trouble with the State Cruisers is that the front command arm has about 1 inch clearance to the front end tire. This was the case with the 100'southward I was hoping information technology was fixed on the 200's but perhaps not. This meant that front bondage would run the risk of hit the front end control arm damaging both.

South-Form chains tin can be quite thin and could exist merely fine with clearance on the front. Especially the metal coil/bungee type that are more snug against the tire. Granted the metallic scroll/bungee type are not quite every bit effective as a thick chain link, but information technology is improve than but the tire.
http://www.amazon.com/Security-Chai...&qid=1363382649&sr=1-one&keywords=tire+concatenation+z6

snobdds

With an all wheel drive vehicle it is highly advised to utilize bondage on all 4 tires. Yous are changing your vehicle from having equal traction on iv tires to having much better traction on just the back. This will cause your front to slip around.

No no no...Do non chain up the front end stop.

The system does not need to be symetical front and rear. That is not the intent nor the chararistics of AWD.

What y'all might be thinking of is both front and rear tires demand to exist of the same height...that could cause a bound upwards TC. Even that is highly unlikly unless the tires are way different.

patrickfinley

Hey Snobdds, I know you live in some pretty harsh snow conditions and probably know driving in snow better than about. Maybe y'all can shed some low-cal on this.

Well-nigh people out at that place are advocating using chains on all 4 tires. My understanding is that bondage on i axle would brand the vehicle act like a 2wd vehicle considering information technology at present had much less traction on the not chained tire.

• Snow chains mounted on all 4 with 4WD/AWD - ideal lateral stability, perfect acceleration, crisp steering, super braking. However, function time systems will show some understeer (turns are wider than intended). Full time 4WD systems are best. This is what everyone should have for snowfall and ice. Be careful anyway.

• Snow bondage mounted on rear axle with 4WD/AWD - good acceleration, lousy steering (no lateral guidance), marginal braking (think, 80% of brake force is created at front end wheels and without chains that ain't happening). No fishtailing. Best compromise for 4WD with only ane pair of chains. Become tiresome.

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/ML320/ml_chains.html

"Traction is needed for acceleration and negative acceleration (braking). And of course for steering. If the ground does not provide enough traction, snowfall tire chains are recommended to increase traction - all the same, if you use a fix of chains only on one axle y'all are essentially re-converting your 4WD/AWD into a 2WD vehicle - a 4 brake vehicle into a 2 brake vehicle. Would you buy a car that has just two brakes?????

Also: For maximum braking and shortest stopping distances snow tire chains are mandatory on all four wheels. With a snow tire concatenation set on but one axle the stopping distance would be twice as long. Imagine the Range Rover (top image) with chains only on the tires of one axle.

Why spend a premium to ain a modern AWD or 4WD SUV to have the prophylactic of a sophisticated 4WD/AWD system and then save $200 for a second pair of snow bondage and throw the advantages of 4WD/AWD out of the window?"

gaijin

Hey Snobdds, I know y'all live in some pretty harsh snow conditions and probably know driving in snow meliorate than most. Mayhap you tin shed some lite on this.
Most people out there are advocating using chains on all 4 tires. My understanding is that bondage on ane beam would make the vehicle act like a 2wd vehicle because it now had much less traction on the not chained tire.

• Snowfall chains mounted on all 4 with 4WD/AWD - ideal lateral stability, perfect acceleration, crisp steering, super braking. Withal, part time systems will show some understeer (turns are wider than intended). Full time 4WD systems are best. This is what everyone should take for snow and ice. Be careful anyhow.

• Snow bondage mounted on rear axle with 4WD/AWD - proficient acceleration, lousy steering (no lateral guidance), marginal braking (remember, fourscore% of brake strength is created at front wheels and without bondage that ain't happening). No fishtailing. All-time compromise for 4WD with only one pair of bondage. Go slow.

http://world wide web.rubicon-trail.com/ML320/ml_chains.html

"Traction is needed for acceleration and negative acceleration (braking). And of form for steering. If the ground does non provide enough traction, snowfall tire chains are recommended to increase traction - however, if you use a set of chains but on 1 axle y'all are substantially re-converting your 4WD/AWD into a 2WD vehicle - a iv restriction vehicle into a 2 brake vehicle. Would you lot buy a car that has only two brakes?????
Also: For maximum braking and shortest stopping distances snow tire chains are mandatory on all 4 wheels. With a snow tire chain set on just one axle the stopping altitude would be twice as long. Imagine the Range Rover (height image) with chains merely on the tires of one axle.

Why spend a premium to own a modern AWD or 4WD SUV to have the safety of a sophisticated 4WD/AWD organisation then save $200 for a 2nd pair of snowfall chains and throw the advantages of 4WD/AWD out of the window?"

I call up you need to send this information to Toyota Motor Corporation immediately then they tin correct the plainly wrong and (co-ordinate to you) dangerous prohibition they include in their Owner'south Manuals against using chains on the front wheels.

It's always refreshing to read this skilful info from an anonymous net persona who knows much more than than the manufacturer of the vehicles we drive.

Can you share any other unsafe information that is in the Owner's Manual that we should ignore?

TIA

:cheers:

patrickfinley · Mar fifteen, 2022

Ganjin, there'southward no need for the smart remarks on here. It does nothing to aggrandize on the body of noesis contained on this forum. This is a forum of people trying to share an disseminate information. If we can't have a conversation that challenges opinions stated in here than what expert is a forum?

Nowhere in the data that I posted did I state that information technology was specific to the State Cruiser. This is just general data that has been causeless by many 4wd people who use chains for deep snowfall/ice driving.

The LC has a pattern outcome with the IFS that prevents using chains upward front, that is why information technology is in the manual. I'm not recommending to utilise standard snow bondage on all 4 tires for the LC, however I am saying it is my opinion that it may be dangerous just using bondage on the rear tires merely.

Snobdds lives in a region that has a ton of snow and he knows quite a bit virtually driving in bad winter weather. I'd like to know and understand his opinion on this.

I retrieve you demand to send this data to Toyota Motor Corporation immediately so they can correct the evidently wrong and (according to you) dangerous prohibition they include in their Owner'southward Manuals against using chains on the front wheels.
Information technology'southward always refreshing to read this adept info from an anonymous internet persona who knows much more than than the manufacturer of the vehicles we bulldoze.

Tin you share any other dangerous information that is in the Owner'south Manual that nosotros should ignore?

TIA

TroutRunner

Chains on all 4 tires is the best.

Chains on the rear is better than no bondage at all. Keep speeds in check.

Don't put bondage on the front of the 200 or you run the risk of jacking up the front components.

My Tundra has the aforementioned limitation. If I need all 4 chained up, better have the 80 anyhow and triple lock information technology upward...with chains.

Yard

W.F. McCall

Thanks for the responses.

Sounds like in that location may exist some clearance problems with putting bondage on the front end and that it'southward non recommended in the Possessor's Manual.

It also doesn't sound similar anyone has put chains on the front (at to the lowest degree thus far in the responses). Cheers once more.

bjowett

The clearance issue is with the upper control arm. Narrower tires, different outset wheels, or, gulp... bicycle spacers, may give you lot the required clearance.

snobdds

In that location is however, a picture that was posted in the 200 series thread, of some weird type of ratch blazon of front tire chain (see below). Don't know exactly how information technology works...Hope the guys chimes in on the other thread.

jwestpro

adept grief at that place are some attitudes on this thread....don't yous recall then Gaijin?

Anyhow, I retrieve I will trust Bil Shush, a 4x4 expert, over lawyers at Toyota who are only going to suggest things that are 110% without even a hair of consequence. They have to do this because of human error in how things are set, allowing for the wrong chains, sloppy gear up up, etc. Likewise, I would await the manual is intended for roadway utilize of bondage, not off road.

If y'all want to slide off the side of a road into the woods, definitely only apply chains on the rear. If you want to go where yous cull to get in snow, then chain all four wheels, lock the heart diff, and go slow.

I apply the RUD 4x4 chains and have a tighter clearance than the LC200 at my upper A artillery. People with clearance bug simply add spacers in the winter but non too much or non also big of tires or else you become clearance issues on full lock turning just similar having too large a tire or wrong wheel offset.

snobdds

good grief in that location are some attitudes on this thread....don't you think and so Gaijin?
Anyway, I think I volition trust Bil Burke, a 4x4 expert, over lawyers at Toyota who are only going to suggest things that are 110% without even a hair of issue. They have to practice this considering of homo error in how things are set up, assuasive for the wrong chains, sloppy ready, etc. Also, I would await the manual is intended for roadway utilize of chains, not off road.

If you desire to slide off the side of a route into the woods, definitely but use chains on the rear. If you want to go where you cull to go in snow, and so chain all 4 wheels, lock the eye unequal, and become slow.

I employ the RUD 4x4 bondage and have a tighter clearance than the LC200 at my upper A arms. People with clearance problems simply add spacers in the wintertime simply not as well much or not as well big of tires or else you get clearance issues on full lock turning merely like having likewise large a tire or wrong cycle offset.

Thanks for the, I've never done this but have an opinion anyway, response. You clearly have never looked under a 200 series to see what is actually going on. Again, your opinion speaks volumes...

jwestpro

Thanks for the, I've never done this only accept an opinion anyway, response. You clearly have never looked under a 200 series to see what is actually going on. Over again, your opinion speaks volumes...

Actually I HAVE washed this. In fact I said I "utilise" the referenced chains. Perchance read the meaning of the words next fourth dimension?

This isn't rocket scientific discipline and the LC 4x4/AWD isn't much unlike than other current vehicles doing the same affair. I Accept "looked" nether a LC200, information technology isn't much different in concept than another vehicles.

Have you ever used chains on a deep snowfall covered trail? I couldn't care less about the all-time way to use bondage on a highway, that'southward what snowfall tires are for.

If you have something to explain, go for it.

snobdds

Really I HAVE washed this. In fact I said I "use" the referenced chains.

No you oasis't...non on a 200 LC anyways.

jwestpro · Jun 11, 2022

Ok, possibly yous are bold something I am missing. You lot think I have non washed what exactly, "looked under" a LC200? Used snow chains? Be specific and clear or movement on.

-nice EDIT-any. LC 4x4 organization is not much different from others. some of it reminds me of MB 1000 wagen, some reminds me of my older rovers. It'south by and large irrelevant though in regard to using chains in deep snow.

-I suppose I didn't own a 2006 LC either.

kreiten

Actually I HAVE done this. In fact I said I "apply" the referenced chains. Maybe read the meaning of the words next fourth dimension?
This isn't rocket science and the LC 4x4/AWD isn't much different than other current vehicles doing the same thing. I Accept "looked" under a LC200, information technology isn't much different in concept than another vehicles.

Have y'all ever used chains on a deep snow covered trail? I couldn't care less near the all-time way to use chains on a highway, that's what snow tires are for.

If y'all accept something to explain, go for it.

Jwestpro has seen the underside of a 200, mine almost 2 days ago, we discussed this very matter, he's just maxim put some wheel spacers on it and you lot take another inch of so of clearance, seems like it would work to me... now it's gonna be a bit of a hurting to throw wheel spacers on everytime ya want to become deep into the mtns, just proly not as big of a pain as being stuck in a ditch if ya don't, only saying

snobdds

Ok, maybe yous are assuming something I am missing. You think I have not done what exactly, "looked under" a LC200? Used snow bondage? Exist specific and clear or move on.
-overnice EDIT-whatever. LC 4x4 system is non much different from others. some of it reminds me of MB Thousand wagen, some reminds me of my older rovers. Information technology'south generally irrelevant though in regard to using chains in deep snow.

-I suppose I didn't own a 2006 LC either.

I'm flattered you think this is possible. Withal, bondage practise not piece of work on the front end of a 200 LC, in fact chains do not work on the front of whatsoever stock Toyota IFS. Solid front end axle yes, they work fine. How many more ways does it need to exist explained?

Yep, bicycle spacers would in theory piece of work, but your trading one trouble for another. With wheel spacers, the tires will rub the inner cycle well at turns and compression.

Just, by all ways...believe what y'all want.

jwestpro

Tire width choice would be key, manifestly, as the just consequence you can be referring to, nonetheless have not specified other than merely proverb "no, believe me", is the upper A arm gap. Can a chain piece of work on a 295/65x18? Well no of course not but the issue is what tire shape and effective offset.

There is a lot of room under that wheel well, more than than I have on the Rover and plenty of people have documented using the chains on all 4 wheels. They are non using over-sized tires though. Mostly the solution has been with a manufacturing plant spec size plus a spacer.

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